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'Why on earth should artists not be paid?'

Sanjna Kapoor doesn't mince words when it comes to voicing her thoughts on ensuring a shift for the theatre from 'survival' to 'thriving' mode. It's this clarity of thought and expression that Sanjna wants every theatrewallah to embrace. “If you know what your non-negotiables are, you will be able to make more advantageous use of the work that you have done and plan to do, resulting in a deeper impact,” she says.

Prioritise and then strategise
The conversation that we had on the sidelines of Maharashtra Cultural Centre's annual
theatre festival, Rangmahotsav began with us asking her thoughts on behemoths like popular regional TV channel backing and producing Marathi plays and a dish TV having a separate channel for telecasting of experimental and commercial dramas. Is it a good sign?
Marathi television has been showing recorded commercial plays for many years now. But I have no knowledge of Tata Sky's dedicated channel to theatre so I cannot comment on it. It's my belief that this would only help popularise theatre and not take away from the live experience. In the West, they have this trend of live streaming of plays. I have friends in UK, who have had huge success with their theatre performances and with their live streaming also. All this has helped build their audience, rather than diminish it. There is no threat because theatre is live and nothing can beat that live engagement. It should give you a sense , 'O gosh! This sounds interesting and I must go watch it next time it comes',” says Sanjna.
As far as a TV channel stepping into produce new plays is concerned, Sanjna thinks that this is a wonderful opportunity. The co-founder of Junoon, a stage for theatre, Sanjna says, “I am not familiar with what the TV channel is attempting to do, I haven't seen their plays yet. But I think it's a wonderful opportunity.”
She then goes on to give example of Adyam theatre festival, a brain-child of Birla conglomerate. “The Birlas are putting huge money into producing huge productions and really working towards building an audience, who are not regular theatre-goers. I think that's commendable. But I have a sense that theatre community has not been able to take advantage of the Adyam opportunity as much as they should have. I think people got so overwhelmed by the luxury of so much – since we are so poverty-stricken most of the time – that they lost their bearing and produced plays that couldn't run outside of that projection. You have to be strategic. If you are being given this wonderful opportunity, you need to make the best use of it without losing your self,” explains Sanjna.
Be clear, draw the line
Allaying doubts of being dictated by big production houses and corporates, Sanjna says, “I have been in situations in which the sponsors have asked me to do things, I have not done. There never was any confusion on that front. But it is tough when you have to walk away from big money. It's not easy, and it only means that you have to know yourself very, very strongly. You have to be very clear about what your non-negotiables are. Nobody can dictate you. If you want to take dictation, it's your choice. I think, sometimes you can meet the corporates and the business world half-way, but at the same time, be true to yourself. That is the core of SMART.”
Sanjna and Sameera Iyengar, who came up with 'The Strategic Management of Art of Theatre' or SMART, believe that if theatre groups don't know what their non-negotiables are then it will cause a lot of problems and confusion and they will be unhappy.
If you produce a play, you would like to look at the life of the play. You should be sensible enough to acknowledge that if I had a big production for a corporate theatre festival, maybe I can do a more smaller, mobile production to keep the life of the production running,” she reasons.

SMART evaluation
Moving on to the SMART programme, it has had two iterations of its four month course, with a 10-day residency. After a third course, it was supposed to evaluate the work that has so far been accomplished by theatre groups who were a part of the programme. But, the third course couldn't be held because they ran into funding issues.
Says Sanjna, “It was after the third course that we were actually going to design a continuous evaluation process with the theatre groups. We haven't been able to do that
because of funding issues. So we now have lighter version of SMART which is a three-day workshop looking at the same areas of work – mission statement, why you do what you do, how you can develop and build your audience, sustain your group together, and budgeting.”
SMART has come from my own questioning. If I had SMART when I started out at Prithvi, I know that what I did in 10 years, I may have been able to do in three years. Maybe I would have stayed in touch with the artists, the audience, and have a deeper impact than I did. I didn't have the wherewithal to know how to do that,” she adds.
The team recently had a smaller SMART workshop in Pune last month which was attended by 29 theatre persons and 17 groups across Maharashtra, and some from Kolkata and Bengaluru. “I think because of Maharashtrian connection with theatre, there was much deeper engagement at this workshop and the participants got to the core of conceptual ideas much more quickly than we expected. The challenge will be to work in a place where theatre is less practised, like the Hindi belt. We have got workshops in Bikaner, in Bengaluru and one in Bengal. We have got five such three-day programmes this year. And, if we get money, then we go back to SMART's original programme.,” says Sanjna

Value yourself
Art and commerce go hand-in-hand. Why on earth artists should not be paid, wonders Sanjna, adding, “Fundamentally, what SMART wishes to achieve is to know our own value. The theatre people need to know their value. We undermine ourselves – 'I am having so much fun, na! I am passionate about it, so I am doing it for myself' is what many theatre people believe. They are incredibly lucky that they are able to work on their passion. But theatre cannot exist without an audience. There are people out there who want to see your work. There is a reason for this which we need to understand.”

The biggest lacunae with urban experimental theatre is infrastructure. “Mumbai should have 20 theatres like Prithvi, but it has one NCPA, one Prithvi and after Chhabildas closed down...we had nothing for a while. But there are now smaller, alternate spaces coming up across India. I just came from Ahmedabad, there are two small spaces there, you have got Expressions Lab opening up their space here. All this is critically important. These places are not only for performances, they are for rehearsals, meetings, workshops and reading, nurturing our environment. That's what I mean by infrastructure. It's not only building brick and mortar. It's building the environment and allows for the blossoming of theatre clan,” she says on a concluding note. 

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